Blacks Related Closer to Chimps Than Humans? Really?

Another study looking at African DNA has found that they are closer to Chimpanzees than Humans.

Human Genetic distance can be measured. Say that Humans are 1.0 on a scale and Chimps are 0.0 on the same scale. If a people measure 0.6 then their genome is closer to Humans than Chimps. Shockingly, two new studies have found that in fact blacks are closer genetically to chimpanzees than humans, scoring less that 0.5 on the scale. This places more strength to the theory that blacks and caucasians diverged over a million years ago and are not relative species. In fact they are better classified as different sub species such as dogs and wolves or chimps and oranguntans.

The more important of the two is Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways – with Nei’s standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.


[The pro-gnathic jaw of the ape and modern negro is mostly gone in the evolution of the Europanic lower jaw as the entire facial plane shifted its geometry to be more vertically aligned. This change correlates to the change in brain size as the cranial bone structures evolved with less prognathic jaws correlating to the larger brains.]

Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei’s method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk “Eurocentrics” hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin.

The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps. Once again, given the first method, these sub-Saharan Africans were at 1.334 while all the other groups ranged from 1.527-1.901, and given the second method they were at 0.539 while the other groups ranged from 0.643 (Kachari again) to 0.712. Thus, based on these data, the sub-Saharan African group is genetically closest to chimps. The authors state the following about “neighbor-joining trees” based on these data, using the chimps as the “outgroup”:

“…the SO [Sokoto Nigerian - my note] population is the furthest from all the other human populations.”

Indeed, these genetic data are consistent with the work of J. Irish, reviewed here, demonstrating that sub-Saharan Africans are dentally more similar to extinct and extant apes, and to extinct hominids and australopithecines, than are any other human population. The genetic data and the dental phenotypic data match perfectly.

Closer to Ape than European, the science is in the genetics

Closer to Ape than European, the science is in the genetics

Some may find it unfortunate that all these data seem to correlate with certain racial stereotypes. However, we must view facts – however harsh – with honesty. And if that includes recognition that certain groups may be slightly more distant from chimps than are Whites, so be it. Of course, White groups have “on their side” the verdict of history as to their accomplishments compared to other groups;

the European extended phenotype is second to none. However, we can imagine that other less accomplished groups may find these data very unsettling. That is unfortunate; nonetheless, it does not change the facts.

The data can be looked at in other ways as well. One can compare the relative genetic distance between two human groups to that between those human groups and chimps, and thus calculate the former as a percentage of the latter. According to the Nei method, the German-Nigerian distance (0.238) is a full 12.8% of the German-chimp difference, while using the Cavalli-Sforza method the German-Nigerian distance (0.168) is a full 24.7% of the German-chimp distance! And for Caucasians-Nigerians vs. Caucasians-chimps the numbers using these two methods are 13.9% and 24.9%, respectively!

cranial development white vs black

These data – however you crunch the numbers, and however liberals may cry that it is all being “misinterpreted” – are quite fascinating and shed important light on questions of racial differences, racial realities, and the consequences of racial miscegenation. It also points out that determining sub-Saharan African admixture (as well as other admixture) via established technology (here, and here) is of significant importance to us.

The other paper that I would like to mention (briefly) is that of Kimmel et al., Genetics 143, pgs. 549-555, 1996. Here eight human populations – including Caucasians, Mongolids, and sub-Saharan Africans- were studied to determine their relative genetic distances. The only real surprise here (not a surprise is that Germans and Nigerians are again very distant, and that various Caucasian groups, including the Germans, are close together) is the (relatively large) genetic distance between the Chinese and Japanese, which some uninformed folks may view as virtually “identical.” . The distance between those two East Asian groups (using relative measurements different than that of the Deka et al. work) was 0.029.

That is a full 72.5% of the distance (0.040) between Germans and the Bhramins (Asian Indians) of Uttar Pradesh, and is even 8.5% of the German-Nigerian distance (0.342). Not all East Asians are identical, although other data (e.g., Nei and Roychoudhury’s classic 1993 paper) do show a relatively close Japanese-Korean relationship. Different areas of China may show different distances to other Asian groups as well, of course. In any case, the stated intention of future ABD tests to distinguish between Chinese and Japanese origins may indeed be possible, given the Kimmel et al. data.

Now some will argue that humans cannot mate with chimps and produce offspring while whites often mate with blacks and can conceive. Well often if they are Europeans and Africans they have trouble conceiving. Only certain European women have been able to easily have children with Africans – Heidi Klum being one example.

Klum is quite capable of reproducing with Seal, a dark African. But many European women cannot.

Klum is quite capable of reproducing with Seal, a dark African. But many European women cannot.

Also, they do find african human / chimp babies still born all across africa. Thank good they don’t survive because they do look quite grotesque

chimpbaby

In summary, racial differences are quite real, and the implications of these differences must be considered, regardless of how startling these implications may be.

[Black brain vs. Europanic brain. Note the difference in folds and complexity. Gould was wrong, the larger size of Europanic craniums holds up to this day.]

Black brains are smaller, have less folds, and less defined Sulcus than Europanic brains

Black brains are smaller, have less folds, and less defined Sulcus than Europanic brains

Bibliography

Beals, K. L., Smith, C. L., & Dodd, S. M. (1984). Brain size, cranial morphology, climate, and time machines. Current Anthropology 25, 301–330.

Ho, K. C., Roessmann, U., Straumfjord, J. V., & Monroe, G. (1980). Analysis of brain weight: I and II. Archives of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine 104, 635–645.
Johnson F. W. & Jensen (1994). Race and sex differences in head size and IQ. Intelligence 18: 309–33

Rushton JP. (1997). Cranial size and IQ in Asian Americans from birth to age seven. Intelligence 25: 7–20.

Rushton JP (1991). Mongoloid-Caucasoid differences in brain size from military samples [and NASA]. Intelligence 15: 351–9.

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32 comments

  1. Yoiyus crazy I an’t no APE! I’ll rape your MOFO ass and well see whos the ape!

  2. I’ve always thought blacks had a somewhat ape-ish mentality about them. And those dark cold empty eyes… tells us they are empty souls

  3. I’m sick and tired of paying half my paycheck in taxes and cant afford children only to see the black welfare rats up the street with twelve of them!

  4. […] police. Teenagers, he said, had been called “monkeys”, fuelling resentment. But in fact new research shows that blacks are closer to monkeys than caucasians so it’s not so much a racial slur as modern […]

  5. Prof. Darwin · · Reply

    Look at Africa as a whole today…and look at Europe, USA, etc. I rest my case. Tons of resources there. Plant anything, it grow amazingly well, yet they are starving. Still cant even work together.

  6. Harsh Truth · · Reply

    It is a well-known, well documented scientific fact that blacks are merely another form of chimpanzee. Blacks are in no way, shape, or fashion human, not in the least.
    All one has to do is study the behavior, appearance, and intellect of chimpanzees and blacks, to see the startling similarities. They are so exactly alike in all ways that it is frightening to think that anyone would attempt to force people into believing that blacks are human.
    NAACP: Now Apes Are Considered People. Blacks are not human beings.

  7. The one thing they have going for them is – “anytime they need a second pair of hands, all they have to do is take off their shoes.’

  8. white guy · · Reply

    I forgot which former president said it but to paraphrase, ” i wish there were some humane way to exterminate the entire race”.

  9. white guy · · Reply

    Actually, I am not so interested in the humane thing but imagine how great the world would be without them.

  10. Lol u guys are mad. If you think the bullshit the author wrote is right then ur opinion is more likely to make black ppl laugh then get get angry. Like srs wtf. I was cracking up and nearly spit my morning coffee out laughing at the rubbish some ppl believe in hah.

    1. This is HARD SCIENCE. GENETICS. How can you possibly think it’s a joke! This is REAL!

  11. JoeSchmoe · · Reply

    God said the hour was coming when he would mix the seed of man with the seed of beast.
    Jonah 3:8 tells us of a Beast of the Field that has hands like a man, wears sackcloth, can turn from evil and pray to God. These beast can not be cows or camels. They are negroes. Youtube search The Beast of the Field. A pastor give many scriptures in the bible describing them.

  12. I think I’ll have to do a blog on the evolution of euro white from a piece of camel droppings

  13. Silindile · · Reply

    lol wow! u ppl ar very interestin hey…. so like since we ar non humans… what ar u gona do abt it???? your views and comments ar so worthless because no matter how much you hate us… u wont do shit abt it… ul jst hate on us until u die! #shame… im jst tired of pointin out how stupid whites ar! all u do is make noise… gosh!

    1. Cloward & Piven. Assistance programs will be hyperinflated away to nothing during the dollar collapse of 2016. Then we will see what blacks do.

  14. JoeSchmoe · · Reply

    According to God’s word whites and blacks are a different species.

    The Negro in the bible is not a man but is in fact a “living creature” The KJ and other versions calls them “the beast of the field”. They are the smartest of the animal kingdom. See the youtube video called,

    ( the beast of the field by pastor alan campbell )

    for a perfect description of the african Negro in the Bible.
    Adam is a different species than Negroes. Adamites are white people and were made in God’s image.
    Strong’s #119: ‘adam (pronounced aw-dam’). to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy.
    Adam & Eve were white people and no white couple can produce a negro, indian, arab or asian baby and those are the facts.

    In the bible God said there would come a time when he will mix the seed of man (Adam the white man) with the seed of beast (the Negro). We know this is true because beastiality or sex with 4 legged beast has never produced offspring. The scripture is talking about 2-legged beast, or living creatures in the original hebrew which are the Negroes. The synagogues of Satan (the Jews) promote race mixing among whites and blacks in every white nation and only white nations as foretold in the bible.

  15. Its hard to fathom the Negro as being fully Human. Unlike all other races, the black man is yet to make a single major contribution to civilization. Then can be taught, to a certain degree, but they cannot function successfully on their own.

    1. Dafuqdidijustread · · Reply

      You are hilarious. White people in general are hilarious.

      I find this article funny at best. It is actually PROVEN (look it up) that whites are more Neanderthal than any race. And the Neanderthals actually evolved from a common ancestor with the apes.

      Now, let’s take into account that Whites in general actually are on Welfare more than Blacks (seeing as we are the minority). As a collective and percentage, yes, to ratio, Blacks do have more on Welfare, but it doesn’t excuse Whites either from breaking down a culture, torturing them then not giving them the means to survive.

      Africa is the richest country, with gold and diamond abound. Before whites, they were not starving, and stricken with illnesses. They thrived. Hell, everyone in the world was like the Africans. Native Americans, Asians, Indians, until the White man came and pretty much destroyed everything.

      People say the world would be better without Blacks (mostly just the White Americans) but who would have built your cities and roads? Who would have raised your children? I’m quite sure Whites would still be bonking each other on the heads, claiming things instead of sharing. Not once in any history book I’ve read, nor seen or even heard about where it showed that Whites didn’t just come in, claim something and pushed the natives out.

      Even in the so called Bible that you guys want to cite. When a man of colour was being immoral, brash, thief like, his punishment was…. Leopardcy. They described it as the ultimate punishment. Losing their skin colour. You want to talk about the seed of beasts, take a look in the mirror. God said to treat all the same and yet Whites are picking and choosing.

      I’m not racist, nor do I honestly give a crap what happens, but it’s just a warning that if that hogwash in the Bible were to be true, I would be seriously afraid if I was you.

      1. Thank you for posting we welcome all views in this discussion. It was chinese labor that built much of the railroads during the expansion era. And when white settlers first landed in Africa they found no inventions, no wheels, no permanent buildings or two story buildings, and some horrific things like some tribes would keep groups of other blacks tied up as a food supply. Whether or not blacks were happier and better off before white involvement is open to debate. Many would like to give Blacks that chance, return to Africa and enjoy it, and get the whites out and the chinese for that matter. Let Africa be for Blacks, Asia be for Asians, and Europe and America be for Europanics. Isn’t that fair? Why do only the Europanic people not deserve a place to build their civilization with their culture? Just like the blacks scream – give us Africa and we will show you what we can do (one refers you to the Liberia colonization experiment of Lincoln) – well clearly Africa is in many ways the result of that generosity. And other nations have had little European involvement in Africa. Europanics say the same thing, give US a nation, a small place, and let us show you what we can do. Except, in our result it’s not people crapping on beaches it’s clean modern societies with inventions and charity. Both races are warlike. But I think Europanics were growing out of it and can no longer be so easily be duped into war. What is horrible however, is how the Marxists running America are determined to flood the nation with mestizo indians and grow blacks on welfare as a controlling force against whites to continue destructive marxist policies in the FFSA. To say that blacks in America have been destroyed by some cruel forces is true, but they have also greedily taken that destruction upon themselves and accept it and do not rise above it. One might say they have reverted to their innate primitive and tribal ways. But remember the Fillmore neighborhood and Harlem in its heyday when blacks owned busineses and had communities. It was self policing and self respect was of the utmost. Blacks may not have 1/1000th the geniuses who change and propel society forward that white races do, but that is NOT to say all blacks are without merit nor is it to say that they weren’t doing much better when they ran productive communities vs. the welfare system which is dysgenic (that means the dumb reproduce like bunnies and the smart people do not). The same dysgenic policies are rippling through Europanic Americans as well with the smartest being forced into work to death universities and jobs and rarely being able to reproduce. All is all kilter all is wrong. Now on the Neandertal genes you are correct, however, that is NOT a negative, Neandertals had LARGER craniums than Modern Man. But it is all the folds of the modern Europanics brain that makes his much more powerful versus a blacks less folded brain. Like the small intestine, these folds enable much greater surface areas to exist in the smaller space. The more we are learning about Neandertal man the more we believe he was quite intelligent, and adapted to the harsh post ice age conditions, and he could easily kick your butt with massive musculature. There were also races of giants, most notably in Africa we find remains, and one wonders if some of the NBA stars do not have some of these genes in them. What is best for man. We see the rampant violence against Europanics as we tried to live beside blacks. The 32,000 times higher rape attacks. In the end it seems that it is Blacks who are voting NOT to be Europanic mans neighbor, not the Europanics. But now, after so much of this, Europanic Americans have had just about enough.

  16. As a coloured South African for me nothing is new its because of you stupidity we had apartheid , because of you my uncle got hanged by a white European, because of you my mom and dad and many Africans land was taken away, because of you the group act started, because of you my best friends father got shot and killed by a white European close range , because of you there’s war all over in the world now you have to start a blog saying my people look like apes!! You white people can say and make up some stupid shit…may be we are related to the ape so what the fact is our balls are bigger then you whites just ask your wife or sister they know.

    1. It ISNT because of white people. South Africa was a KEY test case for what would happen to African colonies if whites withdrew and left the civilization and infrastructure. Within a few years it all fell to ruin and the nations fell into poverty and war. It’s happened across Africa. Beautiful parks that once stood in South Africa are now feces infested slum areas. We supported the end of aparthied and we still believe that all races should be free to do as they will and separate. South Africa is now free. Enjoy it you created what it is today. Why can’t America or Europe be free don’t we deserve that just as much as Blacks have the right to Africa and Japanese have the right to Japan and Chinese have the right to China?

  17. smart white guy · · Reply

    thanks for posting this…. the truth about sub-human blacks is undeniable. now, i don’t want them hurt or anything, just put back in africa where they belong.

    1. Subhuman is not the correct term. Scientifically, the evidence is that the black genome branched away from the rest of humans many millions of years ago. They are more correctly a different sub species, Homo sapien africanus vs. Europeans who are Homo Sapien Sapiens

  18. DNA.don't.lie.people.do. · · Reply

    Firstly understand that devolution is a real process. Blind cave fish; lung-less amphibians; legless lizards; these are all animals that lost a prior adaptation in order to exist in a particular niche.
    All it would take is one successful cross between a African early human, and a chimp ancestor.
    (much as is hypothesized between humans and Neandertals) and the genes would show similarities.

    AFRICANS needed skin that retained heat to advance into the frozen wastes, as the last Ice Age ended.
    Neandertals needed the frontal lobes of the Africans, to deal with abstract thought.
    Africans needed social coping skills, empathy, cooperation, forgiveness, to live in colonies in caves and later in long huts in the north.

    It is obvious that traits migrated across both gene pools. It may be that some of our great apes had reproductive contact with our ancestors before we changed out chromosome number.
    That was our Rubicon, there was no going back, no diluting with small brained cousins. We were cut off.

    I would like to know what the Neandertal chromosome count was, which side of the gap they were on. Remember that up until our chromosome count changed, hybrids with the “great apes” were FAR more possible, we had the same number of chromosomes.

    A big brain is sometimes a liability, if the organism is well enough adapted. It is just a big tender problematic organ.

    DNA will tell the story, we just have to listen.

  19. Michael Cooper · · Reply

    All of the commenters who believe in this nonsense are dumber than I thought. Apes and Blacks are clearly different creatures. Apes have thin lips and straight, similar to us white people. Blacks have full lips and tightly curled hair, huge difference. I am really ashamed of my own white race. An advice to my beloved people (on this forum) – GROW THE FUCK UP!!

    1. The hair argument is often used. I don’t buy it. Sorry. I’ve seen apes and their hair is much more like blacks. Apes don’t have curly hair but they do have thick coarse hair, not the fine hair of Europanics. And as for lips, have you seen an orangutan and you can’t tell me their huge lips aren’t massive. so … nice try.

    2. dna don't lie · · Reply

      Don’t forget the most important fact:
      NEAR… Some will claim that Sub-saharan-Negroids are nearer to chimps.
      And geographically this IS true. And the genes that are shared could have been shared through hybridization, or it is suggested by one eating the other species routinely.
      Chimps may be storing the results of a past hybrid offspring that remained in the chimp gene pool. The truth is that the big brain was a successful trait and migrated throughout the world – A trait that colonized the entire human world. Where as african, skin, hair, and behaviors appear not to have colonized other gene pools as successfully.
      Neandertals died out. The cones also died out, both in south america , and in Egypt.

      db

      1. Ahhh the cone heads… How can I resist such a topic! Another thing modern Academia doesn’t want you to know about. I hear they even shut down the public exhibits in south america moving everything into private storage! The cone heads were formed by deforming the skulls of infant children using boards according to the official academic theory. Uhm yah… right.

  20. Michael Cooper · · Reply

    @ thscollapsereport

    “It was Chinese labor that built much of the railroads during the expansion era.”

    OK, if that’s the case why did we, whites, victimized Chinese laborers? Does the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 ring a bell? http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
    Was that the American thing to do or was that our way saying thanks yellow chink now get the fuck out of our land? Like I said in my previous comment, I am really ashamed of my own white race.

    1. I don’t follow your logic. We brought in many chinese laborers, so then we passed the exclusion act to stop that. Just as now we should stop bringing in mestizo indian hispanics.

      When there was a need we opened the flood gates to foreign labor. Now that need is forever passed. So why don’t we close the gates?

      The Chinese prospered and built successful communities in America even with the tough times, so much so their name for San Francisco is “Gold Mountain”

  21. Michael Cooper · · Reply

    I have personally apologized to my wife (who’s Chinese) for our country’s wrongdoing to her forefathers in the late 19th century.

    1. I thought it was the British who ransacked China with the Opium wars. Not America.

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