Stalin DID. But Hitler didn’t. Alex Jones spouted off again how Hitler confiscated people’s guns. Not true. While Jews were banned from owning guns remember that in Hitler’s Germany Jews were seen as invaders and NOT GERMAN CITIZENS. Ok Alex, technically Hitler did confiscate SOME guns but generally his laws was to make gun ownership easier and put MORE guns in the hands of the people not less.
We all love Alex and his hard work, but sometimes he misses the mark. He should practice on that Barrett 50 cal a bit more.
Before Hitler, whoever kept a firearm or ammunition was subject to imprisonment for five years and a fine of 100,000 marks. That decree would remain in force from 1919 until Hitler repealed it in 1928. HE REPEALED THE GUN RESTRICTIONS FOR EVERYONE EVERY GERMAN CITIZEN.
Furhter, the 1928 opening of gun laws in Germany forbid “Gypsies” not Jews. “The 1928 law spelled out strict requirements about who could obtain such permits, and who was exempt from the permit requirements. So, for instance, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and—in the case of a firearms carry permit—only if a demonstration of need is set forth.”84 Such permits would not, by law, issue to “Gypsies” or “persons who are itinerant like Gypsies.”
Only in 1938 did Hitler remove guns from jews.
Alex writes “In addition, historians like Israel Guttman have outlined how the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazis was hampered by the fact that imprisoned Jews did not have access to adequate arsenals of firearms” which would be the case since the uprising in 1943 occurred five years after the 1938 restriction for jews.
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).
Alex Jones writes:
“A meme has been launched claiming that historical gun grabs by dictatorships is a myth – an insulting attempt to literally re-write history in the name of pursuing a contemporary political agenda. In reality, the Nazis did take existing gun control laws and make them more draconian in order to target their political adversaries. That is a manifestly provable historical fact.”
No it isn’t. The Nazis did NOT make existing gun control laws more draconian. On that point you are utterly wrong.
One of the key provisions of the Versailles
Treaty, Article 169, stated that “Within two months from the coming into force of the
present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft
material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to
the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or
rendered useless.” But even before the Treaty was signed, the German parliament of the
Weimar Republic enacted legislation prohibiting gun possession. In January 1919, the
Reichstag enacted legislation requiring the surrender of all guns to the government. This
law, as well as the August 7, 1920, Law on the Disarmament of the People passed in light
of the Versailles Treaty, remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament
enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition (April 12, 1928)—a law which relaxed
gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme – Harcourt, Nazi Gun Laws
You simply cannot equate the Nazi new gun laws which represented an OPENING up of gun ownership for everyone NOT JUST PARTY MEMBERS BUT ALL GERMAN CITIZENS Alex claims it was just for party members. Not true.
“Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the
National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort
is false. German Firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning
private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by
German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had
been enacted by the government preceding his: a left-center government
which had contained a number of Jews. “
“When you have read [and compare the 1928 and 1938 German gun
laws], you understand that it was Hitler’s enemies, not Hitler, who should
be compared with the gun-control advocates in America today. Then as
now it was the Jews, not the National Socialists, who wanted the people’s
right of self-defense restricted. You will understand that those who
continue to make the claim that Hitler was a gun-grabber are either
ignorant or dishonest. And you will understand that it was not until 1945,
when the communist and democratic victors of the Second World War had
installed occupation governments to rule over the conquered Germans that
German citizens were finally and completely denied the right to armed defense”
Alex writes “ Just like the Nazis, Communist Party members were exempt from the ban.” but this isn’t true. Hitler’s first gun act, the 1928 gun law, overturned the 1919 restrictions and made guns available to everyone. Only in 1938 were jews banned from gun ownership. So it wasn’t the case that only Nazis could get guns in Germany, from 1928 to 1938 any german could, and after 1938 all Germans except jews were able to obtain guns. So it wasn’t a general ban against the public.
Also also claims that the “meme” is that dictators do not grab guns. And he responds with what happened with Stalin and in China. No that isn’t the argument here at all. We are specifically arguing what happened with Hitler. You don’t have facts on your side Mr. Jones. Neither does it seem can you admit you are wrong.
Today PrisonPlanet.com posted a video showing an Austrian who says she was disarmed. That may be true but its still not evidence of regular germans being disarmed. Paul Joseph Watson says only Nazi Party Members were allowed guns. Wheres the proof of that? The laws said otherwise.
He also says that it is an attempt to re-write history. No. The simple truth is the jews were barred from owning guns only AFTER the murder of Ernst von Rath and remember Jews were seen as invaders, illegal aliens, not citizens. Normal German people since the 1928 law that HITLER sponsored were all able to own guns. Now while it is true that SOME jewish people did have formal German citizenship, they are like the Mexicans today in America. Many have citizenship. That doesn’t change the fact that all were invaders and all snuck in.